Everyday Changemakers - Carolyn Powell, Huntly Development Trust

In the first episode of our Everyday Changemakers shorts series we meet Carolyn Powell from Huntly Development Trust who's working on community-led town centre regeneration.

Credits: Produced by Kaska Hempel

Resources

Trust Website: https://www.huntlydt.org/

Number 30/Town Centre development: https://www.huntlydt.org/what-we-do/town-centre

Carolyn’s bio https://www.huntlydt.org/about-us/people

New Economics Foundation https://neweconomics.org/

Climate Action Towns (Architecture and Design Scotland): https://www.ads.org.uk/resource/climate-action-towns

Climate Action Towns film: https://youtu.be/ZMj9PMrUwjs

Transcript:

[00:00:27] Kaska Hempel: Welcome to our Everyday Changemakers series. Wee blethers with everyday people taking climate action in their communities.

 
[00:00:38] Kaska Hempel: Hello, it's Kaska, one of your Story Weavers. Today's guest is Carolyn Powell from the Huntley Development Trust. She's been involved in a redevelopment of an iconic listed building in Huntley's main square. The Number 30, as it's affectionately known, is being transformed into a multipurpose community space with green credentials.

[00:01:01] Kaska Hempel: This project is a cornerstone of the trust's investment into community driven regeneration of the town centre. I caught up with Carolyn at Stirling at the May gathering for the Climate Action Towns project supported by Architecture And Design Scotland. She was one of the presenters in an aspirational showcase of towns taking a place-based approach to issues facing communities locally, including the climate emergency.

[00:01:30] Kaska Hempel: I started by asking her to describe the building she's been working on. 

[00:01:37] Carolyn Powell: The building is in the middle of the town square, and what's wonderful about it is it's slightly magical. It has a tower at one end, and albeit that tower is not hollow, there's something about it that's reminiscent of a castle.

[00:01:54] Carolyn Powell: And you can imagine children making up stories about it, and it's on the corner overlooking, you know, right overlooking the square. So, as you come into the town, that's what you see. So, it makes the setting for something that magical that's going to happen. And hopefully with its renovation, something magical will happen.

[00:02:17] Carolyn Powell: I'm Carolyn Powell. I work for Huntley Development Trust and I'm Town Centre Development Manager. I work in Huntley, but I live on the coast just 20 miles away, half an hour from Huntley. 

[00:02:28] Kaska Hempel: How did you get involved in Community Action? What's your journey?

[00:02:32] Carolyn Powell: I come from a semi-commercial background, but around about 2006 I began working for the New Economics Foundation and the interest that I'd had in regeneration was fuelled and I started working on different projects for them. One in particular was really a ground up approach to entrepreneurship. So, people in places actually turning their interests and their passions into work, into a job, and supporting them to do that.

[00:03:04] Carolyn Powell: So that's really where the drive comes from and the understanding that in any community there are people who can change not only their own future, but the collective future as well. And that is primarily driven by the desire and the passion to do something. 

[00:03:20] Kaska Hempel: When I say place-based approach. What's your first reaction to it?

[00:03:26] Carolyn Powell: People. It's all about people. It must be. 

[00:03:31] Kaska Hempel: And if you were to explain that concept to somebody that doesn't know anything about it, how would you explain it? 

[00:03:37] Carolyn Powell: So, we have had periods in our history where we've designed around transport and roads and how things might look rather than people. People came second, they were put into that picture.

[00:03:51] Carolyn Powell: People are the picture, how they use the space. I mean, you wouldn't want a designer coming in to design your kitchen to come up with something that you, in practical terms, just simply couldn't use. And that's been what's happened in the past in some cases. So, places have not been fit for the purpose and the needs of the people that actually want and need them, whereas that's now being reversed.

[00:04:17] Carolyn Powell: So, we look at people first and we also look at what might happen. How might we want to do this? How would we want in the future, things to be different? You know, we might think that, okay, so we change this to make it more useful to people, to be more purposeful, but then we also build into that how we would like to build green space in the future.

[00:04:43] Carolyn Powell: We might not be able to do that right now, but if we change the traffic flow, if we have more people using sustainable transport rather than individual transport, we might then be able to create more green spaces. So, we need to think ahead with those things as well. 

[00:04:58] Kaska Hempel: What was the biggest challenge that your community group or your project had to overcome, and what lessons you've learned from that that you can share with people?

[00:05:08] Carolyn Powell: Probably the communication of it because there are so many strands to it. There's no single sound bite that will, you know, answer the question as to how it's been designed, how it can be used in the future. And the way that so far, and this will continue because it's obviously it's not quite finished, to get around that has been actually bringing people into it.

[00:05:32] Carolyn Powell: Even during the building process so they can start to see. Well, it's taking so long because the thing is falling down, and they could see that for themselves. And then later on they can see the spaces, oh gosh, you know, we can use that space and that space and oh, there's a staircase there, and oh, there's a lift over there, you know, and suddenly it's a real thing.

[00:05:51] Carolyn Powell: But communication's quite a tricky one because small pieces of information invite criticism and yet you can have too much information where it's changing, so it's very hard to keep that momentum going with it. 

[00:06:06] Kaska Hempel: Who or what inspires you? 

[00:06:10] Carolyn Powell: Actually, this is going to maybe sound a little strange. Change inspires me.

[00:06:16] Carolyn Powell: Everything is in a constant state of change and change is a good thing because you can't renew without change. Without change, things die. And that kind of resistance to it is, you know, it's so complex. But we need to embrace change. Now that's assuming all change is good, but of course, some change isn't necessarily.

[00:06:43] Carolyn Powell: But change inspires me because it can make things happen. It can stir things up, it can, you know, it can activate and inspire and really trigger something. 

[00:06:56] Kaska Hempel: What is your most cherished possession? 

[00:06:59] Carolyn Powell: His name's Angus. He has four legs and a tail. And in order to come here today for the very first time last night, he went to kennels and tomorrow morning I pick him up.

[00:07:10] Carolyn Powell: So yes, he is without doubt my most treasured possession. I shouldn't say a dog's a possession. If it was an actual physical thing, I dunno what it would be. But certainly there's a couple of things, handmade items from, you know, children's collection I probably would grab. It's just a demonstration of where they were at at that point and how you felt at that point.

[00:07:33] Carolyn Powell: And sometimes physical items encapsulate that. It's about like any memory that's connected with something tangible. It just evokes the memories of that period of time. 

[00:07:45] Kaska Hempel: If you could imagine Huntley or the project or descend of town in 10 years time or 30 years time. And if you could just close your eyes. You can spend a second thinking about that, and I'll ask you for one single memory from the future that you could share with us about this place. 

[00:08:04] Carolyn Powell: So, I live half an hour away, so I've just gone there. And the first thing that I'm struck by is the number of people that are actually walking through the middle of town.

[00:08:18] Carolyn Powell: That's because they can, because the traffic's now been diverted and it suddenly looks green, so it doesn't look all grey because the building's obviously there, greyish in colour. But it looks quite green because there are these trees in the centre and there's places to sit and people are chatting and there's tables and chairs outside Number 30, and there's tables and chairs outside the bookshop and people are sitting and they're chatting.

[00:08:43] Carolyn Powell: Older people are chatting to young people. The youngsters are coming through from school, but instead of heading straight down to get, you know, different types of hot food. They're stopping to say hello to people in the town, not just in their groups, and they're going into different places and they look cheerful.

[00:09:03] Carolyn Powell: And there's a feeling of excitement. It sounds chattery busy. But not bus driving through the middle busy. So, it's quite a different feel. There are some rather lovely smells because there's the smell coming from the lovely Bank Restaurant, which now exists. And there's different smells coming out of Number 30.

[00:09:27] Carolyn Powell: And in the corner, there's somebody baking bread somewhere. And there's notices about things that are happening, that people are being invited to. So, yeah, I don't need to shut my eyes for that one. That's real. 

[00:09:38] Kaska Hempel: Is there anything else that you'd like to share with 1000 Better Stories podcast listeners?

[00:09:44] Carolyn Powell: It's not an easy thing. And people can give up because it is tough and, you know, make no bones about it. But I think the most important thing is don't lose sight of these dreams. And, you know, if there was a criticism of the way we've all been in the past, it's not that we've been over ambitious and failed, we haven't been ambitious enough.

[00:10:07] Carolyn Powell: Be really, really, really ambitious. What have you got to lose? Just do it.

[00:10:16] Kaska Hempel: Check out an excellent blog on Huntley Development Trust's website for more stories about Number 30 and other wonderful work they're doing to make their town better for everyone. And if you are interested in finding out more about the nine towns involved in Climate Action Towns Project, I highly recommend the short film by Bircan Birol, which is available on ADS YouTube channel. I've put the links in the show notes for you. 

[00:10:42] Kaska Hempel: As you might have noticed, Everyday Changemakers is a new format we've introduced for 1000 Better Stories podcast to help us showcase more of the amazing work done by communities across Scotland and show that everyone can make a difference. Let us know if you'd like to share a story of a changemaker in your own community, and we'll arrange for an interview with one of our field reporters, or maybe you would like to interview someone yourself.

[00:11:08] Kaska Hempel: We are planning training in audio recording and editing soon. If you're interested, get in touch with me on stories at SCCAN dot Scot. Until next time, keep making a difference out there.